How Mamai passed the meaning of phraseological units. As (as if) mom passed. Saken Aimurzaev "I went through all the hazing, I went through everything"

Mamai Janibek, like Uzbek before, is waging a war with the Venetian and Genoese colonies in an alliance with Byzantium. In Tana, both the Genoese and Venetian trading posts were captured by the Tatars even before the plague, at the very beginning of the war, in 1343. The next year he ordered the capture of Kafa. But

17. VI.Agoshkov. Verkhne-Oka freemen.

"MAMAI PASSED,
WE DIDN'T NOTICE "

A unique transepochial comparison of the population's gene pool was carried out under the auspices of the Academy of Sciences of the Republic of Tatarstan in the laboratory of molecular genetic analysis of the KSU. For several years, Kazan biologists have been collecting material for analysis - bone remains from ancient burials on the territory of Tatarstan, as well as blood samples of today's residents of the republic.

Out of hundreds of available samples of bones from the Tankeevsky, Staro-Kuibyshevsky, Ust-Jerusalem burial grounds, it was established that all the "carriers" of the bones were Caucasians.
In the XII-XV centuries, exclusively Caucasians lived on the territory of modern Tatarstan.
- And what did the DNA analysis of the living Tatarstanians show?

Frankly, we were surprised when we studied the mitochondrial DNA of 200 Tatars and 200 Russians from Kazan, Aznakayev, Buinsk, Vysokaya Gora and found Mongoloid haplogroups in only two - one Russian and one Tatar, - says Olga Kravtsova, a graduate student of the Department of Biochemistry ... - We expected that the percentage of Mongoloidism would be higher, because the period of the Mongol conquests lasted quite a long time.

But it turned out that even after the "Mamai passed", the majority of the inhabitants of Tatarstan remained Caucasians. And from a genetic point of view, it can be argued that we are the direct descendants of those Caucasians who lived in the territory of Tatarstan hundreds of years ago.

Well, now it has been proven at the molecular level that the Tatars living in Tatarstan, as well as the Russians, have very little in common with the Mongols. Geneticists claim that Mongoloids are definitely not related to us.
Olga MACHNEVA.
Newspaper "Vechernyaya Kazan" dated 28.01.2005. *

HOW MOMAY PASSED ...

My mother used this expression a lot. She studied little at school - there were no shoes and clothes. Consequently, she drew her knowledge from her parents and the people around her. Since this expression was very tightly seated in her brains, it can be concluded that it was not Batu Khan, but Mamai who left such a powerful destructive mark in Russia that our ancestors not only remembered it, but also felt it with all their skin and ne - they gave their horror from Mamaev to ruin at the genetic level for the next generations.

If Khan Baty, who conquered Russian fortresses, led people to the brink, was considered quite adequate and did not leave any special signs about himself, and even more - in the eyes of the descendants Baty became the favorite word of the younger generation and soldiers, who call good commanders, then Mamai, despite his kinship with the native word "mama", still evokes vile disgust. What was so criminal in Mamai's actions, what such a line he crossed, that it forever made him a "freak" ?!

By the way, Russians often scare children with the word Babai, which means Grandfather among the Tatars. "Babai will come and take you with him!" But this "scarecrow" is not entirely scary, it's like Babya Yaga - grumpy, always unhappy, but, in the end, even helping the guest to overcome some obstacles.

Maybe Batu Khan was simply forgotten by people, since he made his attacks in the 13th century, and Mamai - in the 14th?! But what is just one century in the memory of the inhabitants! Yes, almost nothing ... Or maybe Batu Khan, having passed through North-Eastern Russia and the south of Kievan Rus, simply left no memories of himself, since he did not touch the territory of the Upper Oka ?!

And the defense of the city of Kozelsk, which was in the present Kaluga region ?! Didn't she leave vivid memories of herself ?!

Probably, military actions at that time did not frighten people any more. We got used to them. Khan Batu took Ryazan by storm, spa poured it to the ground. But the same thing, a few years before Batu, did the Russian princes - they also took Ryazan by storm and also burned it ... Therefore, no one came to the aid of the Ryazan princes, because, if not all, then many Russian princes were then seized by the passion of profit , feudal enrichment at the expense of others. And all this was done against the background of Orthodox churches and religious commandments: do not steal, do not kill, do not commit adultery.

However, the Russian princes, praying to God, did not consider it shameful to kill each other, take away other people's wives. Therefore, it is not surprising that Khan Batu also desired to possess the wife of the Ryazan prince and the wives of his entourage. To which the answer came from the prince of Ryazan: "When we are gone, you can take everything!"

From history we know that the Bryansk princes fought with the Smolensk ones, the Ryazan and Tver princes - with the Moscow ones, others - with the third, the third - with the fourth. In short, there was a civil war, and more than one century. If it were not for Khan Batu, what could have happened ?! Most likely, the Russian lands would have become part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Yes, some part, from the Dnieper to the Bug, entered, but not all. There is no subjunctive mood in history: if only, if only ...

Khan Batu appeared and all the Russian princes and non-Russians were lined up in one line: “Build! Listen to my command! From now on I am the master here and you will do what I command you! " The common people, who said to the Russian princes, who took away their last belongings, since they did not belong to their prince, "there will be a holiday for our street," liked it. He, the common people, does not care who is master over him - a descendant of the Vikings or Mongols ...

The main thing is that - fairly and there was wealth in the house.
... Having taken the city of Kiev by deception, the omnivorous Rurik-eagles began to steer to where they could profit more. And, above all, to seize forest volosts, where, in their opinion, great wealth was accumulated.

The omnivorousness of the Khazars was eradicated by Rurik, and the lawlessness of the Rurik-viches was stopped by Khan Batu. Therefore, the Russian people sighed calmly for a while. Let us recall 40 years of silence after the Ba-tyev raid. Of course, the people paid tribute to the grandson of Genghis Khan. When "discord" went to the Golden Horde, then Mamai appeared - a "new" Tatar-Polovtsian "non-legitimate leader", bought by Genoese merchants, consisting mainly of Jews. Mamai passed - it means "complete disorder".

The expression is associated with the name of the Tatar Khan Mamai (1335-1381), who ruled the Golden Horde since the 60s. XIV century and committed devastating raids on Russia. In 1380, his troops were defeated by Dmitry Donskoy in the Battle of Kulikovo. Mentioned in the literature: Ostrovsky A.N. "Warm heart". http://dslov.narod.ru/fslov/164.htm

How Mamai passed - sheer disorder, devastation, defeat. The expression is associated with the name of the Tatar Khan Mamai, who carried out devastating raids on Russia until 1380, when his troops were defeated by Dmitry Donskoy's squad during the Battle of Kulikovo. Mamai fled to the Crimea, where he died. Mamai's invasion of Russia is described in ancient Russian chronicles, as well as in the Old Russian tale "Zadonshchina" and "The Legend of the Battle of Mamai"
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In 1376, the Khan of the Blue Horde, Arapsha, who went into the service of Mamai from the left bank of the Volga, devastated the Novosilsky principality, avoiding a battle with the Moscow army that had gone beyond the Oka; family and Ryazan principality. In 1378, Mamai still decided on a direct clash with Dmitry, but Begich's army suffered a crushing defeat on the Vozha River. The Ryazan principality was immediately again ruined by Mamai, but in 1378-1380 Mamai lost his positions on the lower Volga in favor of Tokhtamysh. http://www.aliveinternet.ru/post163590568

How Mamai went: a mess, everything is upside down, everything is upside down. On the Internet, the user suggested that maybe we are not talking about a specific Mama, but simply using a Tatar name? As, for example, "babay" (Tatar "grandfather") frighten children. He answered: "Do you think our ancestors were so stupid that they could not tell a woman from a mother?"
As for the name "Mamayev Kurgan", it has been known for a long time. Most likely, it has nothing to do with the half-leader Mamai. According to the museum staff, the name comes from the Turkic word meaning "hillock, elevation".

Nevertheless, many believe that the outpost of Khan Mamai existed in the city, and the mound bears his name.

Another Internet user reported that his village ancestors often said "how Mamai fought" and did not mean "complete pogrom and ruin", but "an extreme degree of disorder", for example, a crumpled bed.

It is curious that not only Russians know about Mamai. Thus, in the region of Mount Mamai in Buryatia, traditional snowmobile races took place. About 30 daredevils came to conquer nature and weather. One problem with “Mamai and Batu” is discussed in the work “Personal names of the Mamluks”, by Nazir Mustafirovich Budaev. Source http://buday.narod.ru//

The problem is that the names Mamai and Batu do not correspond to their highest social status. “The Türks, writes L. Gumilev, did not bear the same name from birth to death. The name of a Turk ALWAYS indicated his position in society. As a boy he had a nickname, as a boy - a rank, as a husband - a title, and if he was a khan, then the title changed according to the hierarchical system. QUESTION: why do Mamai and Batu wear "children's" names? Where are their titles? Where is their social status? Where are the epithets worthy of mighty men?

I foresee the objection that the Mamluks and the Tatar-Mongols are not the same thing. However, the Turkic names, like the Turkic languages \u200b\u200bthemselves, are very conservative and stable. To this day, in all Turkic territories, they are found in an absolutely unchanged form. MY VERSION: these names were appropriated to Mamai and Batu not by their contemporaries and not by experts in the language and traditions of the Tatars, but by a certain person responsible for the correct reflection of the past in ancient Russian chronicles.
http://www.chronologia.org/dcforum/DCForumID2/12844.html

Some Internet users, those for whom it is important to "pinch the Muscovites" once more painfully, write with a snide:

“Take, for example, the“ textbook ”Battle of Kulikovo, in which the“ defending ”Moscow-Kazan troops“ for some reason ”ended up on the“ canonical ”territory of the Golden Horde, headed by the great Ukrainian Khan Mamai. By the way, you are not surprised why the name of the legendary Ukrainian Cossack Ma-May, who has been walking around the world for a long time, fighting for the truth and helping people in need, coincides with the name of the outstanding half-leader of the Golden Horde Khan Mamai?

As the legends of the Ukrainian people testify, the image of the Cossack Mamai is a collective image of the Cossack and the Ukrainian in one person during the times of the Cossack Ukrainian State. Ukrainians have long placed his images in their huts next to icons; his name is associated with the concept of "mamayuvaty" - to travel, to lead a Cossack way of life, and "to go to ma-may" meant - to wander, go wherever they look ... ".

We were taught that Khan Mamai is Mongol-Tatars, and then suddenly a “great Ukrainian” ?! Perhaps the expression “how did Mamai passed through” and speaks of the betrayal of a person who was related by birth, who robbed his own people, is worse than the non-native Khan Baty ?!

However, the one who wrote that Mamai is a “great Ukrainian” mixed God's gift with scrambled eggs. The noble Cossack Mamai is one thing, and the puppet Khan Mamai is another ...

When the expression "How did Mamai went" appeared among the people, what does it mean ??? and got the best answer

Answer from Naumenko [guru]
The meaning is a complete mess.

The Battle of Kulikovo is also called the Mamaev Massacre.

Answer from Dmitry 888[newbie]
after the raids of the Tatars-Mongols

Answer from Denis Tashlykov[newbie]
i do not know

Answer from Viktor prokopenko[newbie]
after mamaia's raid

Answer from Ўlia the Macedonian[newbie]
When I don’t know, it means: Mamai walked through the people and ruined everything, so it turned out like that
expression

Answer from Gulnara Samigullina[active]
1335 - 1381
After Mamai's raid.

Answer from Zhikhareva Tamara[newbie]
Honestly, I like this question, but here is the answer. This expression came to us when there was a battle on the Kulikovo field (1335 - 1381). It denotes disorder (in a house, in an apartment, in a room).

Answer from sasha golovkin[newbie]
The meaning is a complete mess.
The expression is associated with the name of the Tatar Khan Mamai (1335 - 1381), who ruled the Golden Horde from the 60s. XIV century and committed devastating raids on Russia. In 1380 his troops were defeated by Dmitry Donskoy in the Battle of Kulikovo.
The Battle of Kulikovo is also called the Mamaev Massacre.

Answer from Pavel tutarov[newbie]
After the assassination of Berdibek by Khan Kulpa in 1359, Mamai declared war on him. The so-called "Great Zamyatnya" began in the Horde. Since Beklyarbek was not a Chingizid and could not officially be a khan, in August 1361 Mamai proclaimed his protege Abdullah from the Batuid clan to be the khan of the White Horde. However, other contenders for power in the Golden Horde opposed this. In the period from 1359 to 1370, Mamai had to fight with nine khans with varying success. By 1366, he managed to take control of the western part of the state (from the Crimea to the right bank of the Volga), thereby weakening the central power.
From time to time, during the period of the "Great Jam" (1363, 1367-1368, 1372-1373), Mamai managed to seize the capital Sarai on the left bank of the Volga. Beklarbek's headquarters was located in the camp of the tumen, who was especially devoted to him, in the city of Zamyk in the lower reaches of the Dnieper (at the mouth of the Konka River on the site of the modern Kakhovsky reservoir). Not finding support among the eastern khanates, in foreign policy Mamai was guided by a rapprochement with European states - Genoa, the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Venice and a number of others.
Khan Abdullah died in June 1370. Contemporaries assumed that Mamai killed him. However, no convincing evidence of this has been found. The new khan was proclaimed eight-year-old Muhammad Bulak (Bulek, according to Russian chronicles also Mahomet-Sultan) from the Batuid clan, who remained the khan of the self-proclaimed Mamayev Horde until 1380 and died in the Battle of Kulikovo.

As (as if) mama went through Razg. Express. Complete disorder, collapse; terrible devastation anywhere. [ Antonovna:] How Mamai went through the house ... here you go, take a look. Everything is scattered, dissolved ... You can't leave (M. Gorky. Children of the sun). - From a historical event - the devastating invasion of Russia (in the XIV century) of the Tatars led by Khan Mamai. Lit .: Mikhelson MI Russian thought and speech ... SPb., 1912. - T. 1. - P. 533; T. 2. - P. 270.

Phraseological dictionary of the Russian literary language. - M .: Astrel, AST... A.I. Fedorov. 2008.

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